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Re: Tasks & Scoring
Posted: April 18th, 2011, 2:38 pm
by courage7856
DeltaHat wrote:If the machine completes an action, you get points for the action. If you complete an action, or skip the action, you don't get any points. You incur one touch for all contact required to restart the forward progress of the machine.
Your judge was correct. Had you simply unclogged the sand timer, then the sand would have flowed and completed the next action. Since you skipped the sand timer, you lost all points associated with it.
Sorry to bring up old questions, but when something similar happened at State, we were now told that touching the device and starting a task would get you know points for the task. So, since we needed to touch our blocks, we didn't get any points for them. Argh.
Am I the only one who is having this issue?
Re: Tasks & Scoring
Posted: April 18th, 2011, 4:14 pm
by Primate
courage7856 wrote:DeltaHat wrote:If the machine completes an action, you get points for the action. If you complete an action, or skip the action, you don't get any points. You incur one touch for all contact required to restart the forward progress of the machine.
Your judge was correct. Had you simply unclogged the sand timer, then the sand would have flowed and completed the next action. Since you skipped the sand timer, you lost all points associated with it.
Sorry to bring up old questions, but when something similar happened at State, we were now told that touching the device and starting a task would get you know points for the task. So, since we needed to touch our blocks, we didn't get any points for them. Argh.
Am I the only one who is having this issue?
If your touch "makes an adjustment that directly leads to completion of the task in the very next action," you also don't get points for the task. What constitutes directly is unclear, but most judges will not give you completion points for any task that you have to somehow touch.
So, in your case, say you hit a switch to raise the blocks. Sure, it's not as direct as stacking the blocks yourself, but pressing the switch still led directly to stacking the blocks. You'd need to have another task listed in your TSL between your action and the blocks: you press one switch to get it started, task-that-is-listed-on-TSL-but-doesn't-count-for-points occurs, then your blocks get stacked.
At least, that's my experience with how Missions get scored.
Re: Tasks & Scoring
Posted: April 21st, 2011, 5:10 am
by aubrey048
Primate wrote:courage7856 wrote:DeltaHat wrote:If the machine completes an action, you get points for the action. If you complete an action, or skip the action, you don't get any points. You incur one touch for all contact required to restart the forward progress of the machine.
Your judge was correct. Had you simply unclogged the sand timer, then the sand would have flowed and completed the next action. Since you skipped the sand timer, you lost all points associated with it.
Sorry to bring up old questions, but when something similar happened at State, we were now told that touching the device and starting a task would get you know points for the task. So, since we needed to touch our blocks, we didn't get any points for them. Argh.
Am I the only one who is having this issue?
If your touch "makes an adjustment that directly leads to completion of the task in the very next action," you also don't get points for the task. What constitutes directly is unclear, but most judges will not give you completion points for any task that you have to somehow touch.
So, in your case, say you hit a switch to raise the blocks. Sure, it's not as direct as stacking the blocks yourself, but pressing the switch still led directly to stacking the blocks. You'd need to have another task listed in your TSL between your action and the blocks: you press one switch to get it started, task-that-is-listed-on-TSL-but-doesn't-count-for-points occurs, then your blocks get stacked.
At least, that's my experience with how Missions get scored.
I say that touching the MP to initiate or help along a task after you already set the machine in motion earlier (i.e other autonomous tasks were completed but the machine got stuck) counts as a touch. You start the machine, then hands off. We didn't have any trouble with this last year. There was only one other team who could say the same, though (2nd place).
Re: Tasks & Scoring
Posted: April 29th, 2011, 7:44 pm
by sj
How do you guys think the following device would do at nationals and what are scores from other states finals?
We run all the 8 highest point tasks in 4-7 secs and sand timer runs for the rest of the time. We have a balloon that lifts 15ish grams and no violations and stuff.
Thanks!
Re: Tasks & Scoring
Posted: May 1st, 2011, 12:29 pm
by nationalsapipedream
Reading the rules again I noticed the ideal time for state was 60-90 seconds. Does that mean that the judges may decide a time limit to set of their preference randomly within 60-90 seconds? At say for instance 75 seconds and anything over that would incur the one point penalty. Or does it mean that the ideal time is up to 90 seconds?
Re: Tasks & Scoring
Posted: May 1st, 2011, 12:45 pm
by illusionist
Your first answer was right. They randomly pick a time. Like 69 seconds, and that would be the "ideal time".