Unofficial Rankings C

[kate!]

1. Troy (CA)
2. Solon (OH)
3. Mason (OH)
4. Acton Boxborough Regional High School (MA)
5. Mounds View (MN)
6. Harriton (PA)
7. Seven Lakes High School (TX)
8. Columbia (NY)
9. Adlai E. Stevenson (IL)
10. Mira Loma (CA)
11. Boca Raton Community HS (FL)
12. New Trier (IL)
13. WWP South (NJ)
14. TJHSST (VA)
15. Enloe (NC)
16. Bayard Rustin (PA)
17. Ward Melville (NY)
18. Brookwood (GA)
19. NCSSM (NC)
20. Northville (MI)
21. Clark (NV)
22. Pembroke Hill (MO)
23. Chattahoochee (GA)
24. Madison West (WI)
25. Bothell (WA)

Why is WWPS so low? Almost everyone has predicted them in the 6th-9th range.

[randomperson123]

Why is WWPS so low? Almost everyone has predicted them in the 6th-9th range.

I would also move wwp south up...

The invitational results for wwp south dont look great and while I would expect south to do better than predicted here there isnt any data to support that.

Although I don't do Div C, I agree with what you said. Their soup results, for instance, were 11th and 13th - compared to North's 3rd and 10th. At princeton, although South placed 1st and 5th, it was evident that they stacked really hard - compared to North's unstacked team which placed 2nd.

Although they beat north at NJ states by 9 points and regs by 1, most, if all New Jersians can agree that many of the tests were either 1) of low quality and 2) graded oddly. Because of this, it's usually a toss up between the teams - whichever team doesn't bomb wins.

Based on this discussion its pretty easy to tell that predicting WWPS in the 6-9 range is completely without reason. While they make actually end up doing that well, there is absolutely no evidence for WWPS even matching Norths performance at Nationals last year.

[CookiePie1]

Why is WWPS so low? Almost everyone has predicted them in the 6th-9th range.

The invitational results for wwp south dont look great and while I would expect south to do better than predicted here there isnt any data to support that.

Although I don't do Div C, I agree with what you said. Their soup results, for instance, were 11th and 13th - compared to North's 3rd and 10th. At princeton, although South placed 1st and 5th, it was evident that they stacked really hard - compared to North's unstacked team which placed 2nd.

Although they beat north at NJ states by 9 points and regs by 1, most, if all New Jersians can agree that many of the tests were either 1) of low quality and 2) graded oddly. Because of this, it's usually a toss up between the teams - whichever team doesn't bomb wins.

Based on this discussion its pretty easy to tell that predicting WWPS in the 6-9 range is completely without reason. While they make actually end up doing that well, there is absolutely no evidence for WWPS even matching Norths performance at Nationals last year.

While your reasoning is completely valid, I will mention that WWPS placed in EVERY event at states this year, while north did not. Just saying.

[dxu46]

Why is WWPS so low? Almost everyone has predicted them in the 6th-9th range.

The invitational results for wwp south dont look great and while I would expect south to do better than predicted here there isnt any data to support that.

Although I don't do Div C, I agree with what you said. Their soup results, for instance, were 11th and 13th - compared to North's 3rd and 10th. At princeton, although South placed 1st and 5th, it was evident that they stacked really hard - compared to North's unstacked team which placed 2nd.

Although they beat north at NJ states by 9 points and regs by 1, most, if all New Jersians can agree that many of the tests were either 1) of low quality and 2) graded oddly. Because of this, it's usually a toss up between the teams - whichever team doesn't bomb wins.

Based on this discussion its pretty easy to tell that predicting WWPS in the 6-9 range is completely without reason. While they make actually end up doing that well, there is absolutely no evidence for WWPS even matching Norths performance at Nationals last year.

There are never absolutes in predictions, and the fact you're using them, especially with a team that didn't drop any events and beat a national top 10 team, discredits you. Personally, I agree that 6th is too high, but I still think that they will place top 10, given their consistency at NJ state in a highly competitive and (as sciolyperson1 pointed out) sketchy-test environment.
did anyone notice my irony xP

[builderguy135]

Why is WWPS so low? Almost everyone has predicted them in the 6th-9th range.

Although I don't do Div C, I agree with what you said. Their soup results, for instance, were 11th and 13th - compared to North's 3rd and 10th. At princeton, although South placed 1st and 5th, it was evident that they stacked really hard - compared to North's unstacked team which placed 2nd.

Although they beat north at NJ states by 9 points and regs by 1, most, if all New Jersians can agree that many of the tests were either 1) of low quality and 2) graded oddly. Because of this, it's usually a toss up between the teams - whichever team doesn't bomb wins.

Based on this discussion its pretty easy to tell that predicting WWPS in the 6-9 range is completely without reason. While they make actually end up doing that well, there is absolutely no evidence for WWPS even matching Norths performance at Nationals last year.

There are never absolutes in predictions, and the fact you're using them, especially with a team that didn't drop any events and beat a national top 10 team, discredits you. Personally, I agree that 6th is too high, but I still think that they will place top 10, given their consistency at NJ state in a highly competitive and (as sciolyperson1 pointed out) sketchy-test environment.
did anyone notice my irony xP

Can't say anything about div c but div b isn't that competitive compared to like cali

[randomperson123]

Why is WWPS so low? Almost everyone has predicted them in the 6th-9th range.

Although I don't do Div C, I agree with what you said. Their soup results, for instance, were 11th and 13th - compared to North's 3rd and 10th. At princeton, although South placed 1st and 5th, it was evident that they stacked really hard - compared to North's unstacked team which placed 2nd.

Although they beat north at NJ states by 9 points and regs by 1, most, if all New Jersians can agree that many of the tests were either 1) of low quality and 2) graded oddly. Because of this, it's usually a toss up between the teams - whichever team doesn't bomb wins.

Based on this discussion its pretty easy to tell that predicting WWPS in the 6-9 range is completely without reason. While they make actually end up doing that well, there is absolutely no evidence for WWPS even matching Norths performance at Nationals last year.

There are never absolutes in predictions, and the fact you're using them, especially with a team that didn't drop any events and beat a national top 10 team, discredits you. Personally, I agree that 6th is too high, but I still think that they will place top 10, given their consistency at NJ state in a highly competitive and (as sciolyperson1 pointed out) sketchy-test environment.
did anyone notice my irony xP

woah i dont think the use of tournament analysis should be remotely valid in discrediting what I'm saying and what others have said. While it is true that South beat North at NJ states, it has been mentioned by others that it is not nearly as well run as a national tournament. In my opinion, this might have been more of a detriment for North than something that sets South apart. I believe an arguably more well run competition like UPenn to be a much better indicator, hence my reasoning for the statements above.

Again all of this is completely my own opinion based on reasoning and competition results, there's no reason to discredit an opinion that you dont agree with.

[windu34]

woah i dont think the use of tournament analysis should be remotely valid in discrediting what I'm saying and what others have said. While it is true that South beat North at NJ states, it has been mentioned by others that it is not nearly as well run as a national tournament. In my opinion, this might have been more of a detriment for North than something that sets South apart. I believe an arguably more well run competition like UPenn to be a much better indicator, hence my reasoning for the statements above.

I think you make good points - I would definitely trust Upenn results more than NJ states results

[pb5754]

woah i dont think the use of tournament analysis should be remotely valid in discrediting what I'm saying and what others have said. While it is true that South beat North at NJ states, it has been mentioned by others that it is not nearly as well run as a national tournament. In my opinion, this might have been more of a detriment for North than something that sets South apart. I believe an arguably more well run competition like UPenn to be a much better indicator, hence my reasoning for the statements above.

I think you make good points - I would definitely trust Upenn results more than NJ states results

This is true, although I would note that South (and North) had multiple people missing due to a math competition.

[builderguy135]

woah i dont think the use of tournament analysis should be remotely valid in discrediting what I'm saying and what others have said. While it is true that South beat North at NJ states, it has been mentioned by others that it is not nearly as well run as a national tournament. In my opinion, this might have been more of a detriment for North than something that sets South apart. I believe an arguably more well run competition like UPenn to be a much better indicator, hence my reasoning for the statements above.

I think you make good points - I would definitely trust Upenn results more than NJ states results

This is true, although I would note that South (and North) had multiple people missing due to a math competition.

hmmt?

[Selundar]

1. Troy (CA)
2. Solon (OH)
3. Mason (OH)
4. Acton Boxborough Regional High School (MA)
5. Mounds View (MN)
6. Harriton (PA)
7. Seven Lakes High School (TX)
8. Columbia (NY)
9. Adlai E. Stevenson (IL)
10. Mira Loma (CA)
11. Boca Raton Community HS (FL)
12. New Trier (IL)
13. WWP South (NJ)
14. TJHSST (VA)
15. Enloe (NC)
16. Bayard Rustin (PA)
17. Ward Melville (NY)
18. Brookwood (GA)
19. NCSSM (NC)
20. Northville (MI)
21. Clark (NV)
22. Pembroke Hill (MO)
23. Chattahoochee (GA)
24. Madison West (WI)
25. Bothell (WA)

This list is actually very close to my current personal predictions with almost all teams being within 3 places of what I expect with only a few exceptions.

First, I think TJHSST is a little too high. I agree that they look much stronger than last year but I don’t see them placing higher than around 17th. It is worth noting that they were beaten by Ward Melville at Cornell, albeit by a relatively small margin.

After reviewing Wisconsin results and comparing top scores to previous years, I think Madison West has a good chance to crack the top 20 this year. I think I also initially placed NCSSM a little too high, mostly due to a lack of knowledge about Enloe’s Boomilever placement.

I think WWPS is probably the hardest team to predict this year. I originally placed them at 6th but could easily see them end up closer to 13th where you put them. The main problem is that the only tournament where they had all their team members and stacked was NJ States, so we really don’t know how a stacked WWPS would compare to other teams. I think that South has the same or similar potential as North. However, people lack confidence in them because they don’t have any unexpectedly strong invitational results to back up their strength like North getting 3rd at SOUP without being fully stacked.