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i wouldn't make such a harsh judgement about solon so early... i think they'll be fine as the season progresses

legendaryalchemist wrote: ↑December 9th, 2020, 11:53 am Way too early top-25 nationals prediction (nothing too bold):

19. University (AZ)

I'm pretty sure you mixed up University HS (AZ) with University HS (CA-S)

legendaryalchemist wrote: ↑December 9th, 2020, 11:53 am

13. Solon (OH)

16. Harriton (PA)

20. Boca Raton (FL)

These teams are way too low on the list; they should each be bumped up at least 10 places.

CrayolaCrayon wrote: ↑December 10th, 2020, 5:52 am

legendaryalchemist wrote: ↑December 9th, 2020, 11:53 am

13. Solon (OH)

16. Harriton (PA)

20. Boca Raton (FL)

These teams are way too low on the list; they should each be bumped up at least 10 places.

Have you seen Boca's placements this year... considering that they seem to have a trend of doing well at invies and then much worse than expected at nats, and that this year they're doing a lot worse at invies than in previous years, I wouldn't be surprised if they got 20th, or far worse than 20th for that matter.

As for Harriton, this is looking like a pretty standard year for them (?). They had a solid performance at UT (albeit not what you'd expect a 3rd-at-nats team to place) and clearly didn't send their best team to Belleville, and tend to improve a lot from invitationals to states and from states to nats. I'd definitely predict a top 10 finish at nats for them.

I have no idea what's happening with Solon lol, we'll see how they progress throughout the season.

EwwPhysics wrote: ↑December 10th, 2020, 6:09 am
Have you seen Boca's placements this year... considering that they seem to have a trend of doing well at invies and then much worse than expected at nats, and that this year they're doing a lot worse at invies than in previous years, I wouldn't be surprised if they got 20th, or far worse than 20th for that matter.

I'm assuming there are builds at Nationals in some form or another.

CrayolaCrayon wrote: ↑December 10th, 2020, 6:16 am

EwwPhysics wrote: ↑December 10th, 2020, 6:09 am
Have you seen Boca's placements this year... considering that they seem to have a trend of doing well at invies and then much worse than expected at nats, and that this year they're doing a lot worse at invies than in previous years, I wouldn't be surprised if they got 20th, or far worse than 20th for that matter.

I'm assuming there are builds at Nationals in some form or another.

Hmmm... it'll be interesting to see how well they do if they go to any satellite invies. I doubt builds would make enough of a difference to get them to 10th at nats after 44th at BEARSO and 5th at Belleville, but you never know. It's also very early in the season so they have plenty of time to improve.

pb5754 wrote: ↑December 9th, 2020, 8:01 pm

legendaryalchemist wrote: ↑December 9th, 2020, 11:53 am Way too early top-25 nationals prediction (nothing too bold):

19. University (AZ)

I'm pretty sure you mixed up University HS (AZ) with University HS (CA-S)

My bad - I thought it was the AZ team at BEARSO. Unfortunate that there are so many good teams in CA-S that have to compete with Troy for one bid.

EwwPhysics wrote: ↑December 10th, 2020, 6:22 am

CrayolaCrayon wrote: ↑December 10th, 2020, 6:16 am

EwwPhysics wrote: ↑December 10th, 2020, 6:09 am
Have you seen Boca's placements this year... considering that they seem to have a trend of doing well at invies and then much worse than expected at nats, and that this year they're doing a lot worse at invies than in previous years, I wouldn't be surprised if they got 20th, or far worse than 20th for that matter.

I'm assuming there are builds at Nationals in some form or another.

Hmmm... it'll be interesting to see how well they do if they go to any satellite invies. I doubt builds would make enough of a difference to get them to 10th at nats after 44th at BEARSO and 5th at Belleville, but you never know. It's also very early in the season so they have plenty of time to improve.

Just fyi- Boca is not currently allowed to participate in Satellite invites and this might not change for the duration of the school year.

Solon is way too low, they haven't stacked for anything yet. I'd prob bump them up around 7L for now. I'd still put 7L over Stevenson and Pio is more likely around the 12-17 range now I think according to what AlfWeg has said. I'm also thinking TJ is likely to finally break into the top 10.

Umaroth wrote: ↑December 10th, 2020, 8:19 pm Solon is way too low, they haven't stacked for anything yet. I'd prob bump them up around 7L for now. I'd still put 7L over Stevenson and Pio is more likely around the 12-17 range now I think according to what AlfWeg has said. I'm also thinking TJ is likely to finally break into the top 10.

They seemed to have stacked at Boyceville (A was 4th with 137, B was 17th with 386, superscore was 4th with 118). Maybe their full team wasn't there, but if it was, losing to an unstacked Mason team and a Marquette team (albeit only because of WI-only events) is not a good sign. They may not have stacked at BEARSO, but they got 38th, 42nd, and 63rd, as opposed to 7L's 5th, 6th, and 15th and they competed every event. I think 7L and Stevenson are really close. We haven't seen much from Pio or TJ this year, so those rankings would be very subject to change. The last time Harriton looked like the Harriton we're used to was 2019, and that team has to be much different now, so they're unproven despite their school history.