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Re: Boomilever B/C
I would however recommend not investing a lot of time into a jig until you've tested and settled on a design(though maybe not wood densities and such).
Also, seeing as I have to use gorilla glue once ( ), what about using it for the distal end also? It seems that the expansion of it would achieve the same effect as aia's with a reduced weight. I assume I would have to clam those connections(not too hard) but would I have to clamp the base joint? I can't see how to do to easily...
Also, seeing as I have to use gorilla glue once ( ), what about using it for the distal end also? It seems that the expansion of it would achieve the same effect as aia's with a reduced weight. I assume I would have to clam those connections(not too hard) but would I have to clamp the base joint? I can't see how to do to easily...
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Sorry if this is a double, but here's another question... balsa laminations, I know the idea is a lightweight layer of glue without air gaps, so I tried spray adhesive, it didn't work out so well. Specifically, after 24 hours it was still tacky and the lamination could slide Is there a specific type of spray that might work better or would superglue be best? Superglue seems heavy, which I why I was trying to avoid it.
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If you are following Aia concept, either Titebond III or Gorilla glue would be good choices BUT only use the minimum amount needed. They both swell.
I would NOT use a spray glue for lamination of balsa. If there is time, a very thin "prime" coat followed by a slightly thin coat of Ambroid or Ducco would be my choice. Super glue would be OK, IF you follow Jander's glue ideas. Use a very thin coat. Do not use the thinnest one as it will soak in rapidly. It can be either clamped or weighted to dry.
Remember that everyone will have preferences of glues and techniques. The secret is finding the one that works for YOU and then work and work on using less glue and still getting a good joint.
My starting students tend to use 2-5 times the amount of glue that is needed.
A good design is no better than the choice of wood and the quality of assembly.
I would NOT use a spray glue for lamination of balsa. If there is time, a very thin "prime" coat followed by a slightly thin coat of Ambroid or Ducco would be my choice. Super glue would be OK, IF you follow Jander's glue ideas. Use a very thin coat. Do not use the thinnest one as it will soak in rapidly. It can be either clamped or weighted to dry.
Remember that everyone will have preferences of glues and techniques. The secret is finding the one that works for YOU and then work and work on using less glue and still getting a good joint.
My starting students tend to use 2-5 times the amount of glue that is needed.
A good design is no better than the choice of wood and the quality of assembly.
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Re: Boomilever B/C
Does anybody have the dimensions and rules/specs for Boom this year. I won't get them for a while and I want to start building booms.
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I've been using a 40cm x 15cm spec for booms based on last years trial events. Hopefully I get the rules soon, I don't think it'd be a problem to post those dimensions. Beyond that I figure it follows the standard load-bearing event rules(i.e. all wood, 5x5 loading block, 15kg load, etc).
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Re: Boomilever B/C
Can we start a bit of discussion about concepts in boomilever? In this case, bending.
I believe that bending only occurs if there is "give" in the boomilever, most likely the tension strips. When the tension members begin to bend, the main compression shape of your boom should begin to bend as well (depending on how rigid the structure is, but it should be noticeably less than the tension 3/32 strips or whatever dimension you decide to use), and this is assuming that it can also withstand buckling and compressive failure at this point. Are these assumptions correct? Basically, if buckling and compressive failure moments haven't began in the structure, the structure could in theory bend out of shape until the bending becomes a mode of failure.
Please correct me if the thoughts up there are right/wrong and need to be corrected or additional thoughts.
Now, how should I go about thinking of places that will be subject to a larger force of bending in a boomilever? I believe that the shape of the boom is crucial to resist this bending failure, and assuming a perfect world: good workmanship, distal end connections are perfect, the block can be loaded, glueing, bracing, wood selection, density, etc. are all 'perfect', what holds true to my drawings/descriptions below?
http://imgur.com/h2gc7
Whew. The big question is if I use an inverse hourglass shape for boomilever, would the bending be greater towards the center of the boomilever or towards the distal end of the boomilever? Would the amount bending force and the failure location (still assuming a 'perfect world' idea) be symmetrical on either the distal side or wall side of the boom. If the boom is built perfectly symmetrical, with a inverse hourglass design, would both locations of bending failure have an equal chance of failing assuming perfect construction although the load is only being applied to the distal end of the boom and the wall side of the boom is almost acting like a hinge (assuming the boomilever doesn't slip, again perfect world idea).
I believe that bending only occurs if there is "give" in the boomilever, most likely the tension strips. When the tension members begin to bend, the main compression shape of your boom should begin to bend as well (depending on how rigid the structure is, but it should be noticeably less than the tension 3/32 strips or whatever dimension you decide to use), and this is assuming that it can also withstand buckling and compressive failure at this point. Are these assumptions correct? Basically, if buckling and compressive failure moments haven't began in the structure, the structure could in theory bend out of shape until the bending becomes a mode of failure.
Please correct me if the thoughts up there are right/wrong and need to be corrected or additional thoughts.
Now, how should I go about thinking of places that will be subject to a larger force of bending in a boomilever? I believe that the shape of the boom is crucial to resist this bending failure, and assuming a perfect world: good workmanship, distal end connections are perfect, the block can be loaded, glueing, bracing, wood selection, density, etc. are all 'perfect', what holds true to my drawings/descriptions below?
http://imgur.com/h2gc7
Whew. The big question is if I use an inverse hourglass shape for boomilever, would the bending be greater towards the center of the boomilever or towards the distal end of the boomilever? Would the amount bending force and the failure location (still assuming a 'perfect world' idea) be symmetrical on either the distal side or wall side of the boom. If the boom is built perfectly symmetrical, with a inverse hourglass design, would both locations of bending failure have an equal chance of failing assuming perfect construction although the load is only being applied to the distal end of the boom and the wall side of the boom is almost acting like a hinge (assuming the boomilever doesn't slip, again perfect world idea).
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Re: Boomilever B/C
There are 6 degrees of freedom for every member/joint. True tension will stretch the member and not bend it. As soon as you go to a truss, members tend to alternate between tension and compression, so you have to decide which member is doing what.
Tension members are significantly stronger than compression members, so can be made of smaller or lighter wood.
last year's towers actually compressed by about 4mm. This means that there was a lot of strain on the joints and required very good bracing.
In a straight compression mode a major member like the corners of a tower needed to be braced no more than 5 cm to be able to use lighter wood.
3/32 basswood for the main tension member in Aia's article will hold like 50 pounds each in a perfect world.
For the main compression truss, I am tending to think that the main bending force will be in the upward direction as the weight slowly lengthens the main tension member, pulling the compression truss down as well as forcing it back into the wall.
A straight truss might be the best option with appropriate bracing. The angles of the hour glass and inverse put a lot of strain on the joints.
There are so many possible trusses and bracing to the tension members that it is going to take a very long time with a computer program to find the better options. A good guess to start will sure help.
I hope this might help a tiny bit even tho it does not answer your question. PS, I could not read your link.
Tension members are significantly stronger than compression members, so can be made of smaller or lighter wood.
last year's towers actually compressed by about 4mm. This means that there was a lot of strain on the joints and required very good bracing.
In a straight compression mode a major member like the corners of a tower needed to be braced no more than 5 cm to be able to use lighter wood.
3/32 basswood for the main tension member in Aia's article will hold like 50 pounds each in a perfect world.
For the main compression truss, I am tending to think that the main bending force will be in the upward direction as the weight slowly lengthens the main tension member, pulling the compression truss down as well as forcing it back into the wall.
A straight truss might be the best option with appropriate bracing. The angles of the hour glass and inverse put a lot of strain on the joints.
There are so many possible trusses and bracing to the tension members that it is going to take a very long time with a computer program to find the better options. A good guess to start will sure help.
I hope this might help a tiny bit even tho it does not answer your question. PS, I could not read your link.
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Re: Boomilever B/C
I would not characterize bending like this. I would say, the boom has three joints (assuming we are talking about a simple triangular shape). Each joint undergoes certain amount of rotation and displacement. These rotations and displacements define the deformed shape of the boom. Put simply, the deformation of the structure has to be determined by looking at the entire system instead of its individual parts.LKN wrote:I believe that bending only occurs if there is "give" in the boomilever, most likely the tension strips. When the tension members begin to bend, the main compression shape of your boom should begin to bend as well.
Not quite. See my explanation below.Basically, if buckling and compressive failure moments haven't began in the structure, the structure could in theory bend out of shape until the bending becomes a mode of failure.
Bending stress is going to be maximum near the wall (see below).Now, how should I go about thinking of places that will be subject to a larger force of bending in a boomilever?
Absolutely!I believe that the shape of the boom is crucial to resist this bending failure...
Generally speaking, structures with rigid joints (e.g., when members common to a joint are glued together) bend. Whether we are dealing with a bridge, a tower or a boom, bending is going to be present. The question is: how significant is it?
Bending in a boom is a function of its geometry, wood density and the cross-sectional shape (read moment of inertia) of its members. The best way to determine how a particular boom bends is to analyze it using a frame (not truss) analysis software.
Stress due to bending is called bending stress. For the compression and tension members in the boom this stress would be maximum at the wall end, not at the mid-point of the member or at the load end.
If bending stress is present (if it is significantly large) in the compression member, then it would amplify the amount of axial compressive stress in the member. That is, if the compression member has a cross-sectional area of A and carries an axial force of P, then axial compressive stress in the member is P/A. If the member is also bending, then maximum compressive stress in the member becomes (P/A) + (M/S) where M is maximum bending moment in the member and S is called section modulus (a property of the cross-section of the member). So, we need to look at the combined effect of bending and compression instead of examining them individually. The same is true for the tension member.
I would say as long as the moment of inertia of the vertical member is smaller than that of the other two, bending stress probably would be negligible. If however, the vertical member has a moment of inertia comparable to the horizontal member, then a significant bending stress may be present in all three members.
As for your models, I would go with either 1 or 2. The other ones do not help with bending. Since bending stress is maximum at the wall, the most economical section (if only bending is being considered) would be a tapered shape where the member is wider at the wall (has the largest moment of inertia at the wall) and narrower near the load.
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Re: Boomilever B/C
Got my rules, here are the 2013 Boom specs!
Let the building (and discussions) begin.
- Center of the loading block must be between 40 and 45 cm from the testing wall for both Divisions
- Boom can't contact the wall more than 20 cm (Div B) and 15 cm (Div C) below the centerline of the attachment holes, however, there is no limit to the height of the boom above the testing wall.
- Attachment base can be made from any type/size of wood products (sawdust, particleboard, etc), but any part of the boom 1.3 cm (1/2 inch) past the testing wall must be only made of wood and bonded by glue (no particleboard past 1.3 cm, etc)
- No limit on the cross sections of the wood (:D )
- A horizontal line will be drawn 20 cm below the centerline of the attachment holes at 20 cm (Div B) and 15 cm (Div C); if the boom extends below the line the boom will be tiered down.
- Scoring forumla is: mass held (g)/weight of boom (g). (The "pure efficiency" equation)
Let the building (and discussions) begin.
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First of all, thanks so much!fishman100 wrote:Got my rules, here are the 2013 Boom specs!
- Boom can't contact the wall more than 20 cm (Div B) and 15 cm (Div C) below the centerline of the attachment holes, however, there is no limit to the height of the boom above the testing wall.
However, what does this spec above mean? Does it mean the boom can't be more than 15cm tall (for div. C), if so, what does the second part mean (no height limit above the testing wall)???