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EastStroudsburg13 wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:53 am
snowyowl wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:45 am
EastStroudsburg13 wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:19 am The thing with regionals tournaments is that if a high school is willing to host it, you can run that tournament in a fairly straightforward manner. I would not expect such a tournament to be scheduled now, but say around the end of April we are seeing a clear decline in the effects of the pandemic, it may be worthwhile to try to schedule a regional tournament at a high school in June sometime. Something to keep in mind as this whole thing develops.
I do think June is a difficult month because of state examinations as well as other standardized testing. It would be extremely difficult to schedule, and I feel that one of the only options is to hope that COVID-19 dies down quickly and to aim for sometime in May.
State exams are in June these days? You learn something every day I guess.
Some of them are (although I am only speaking for New York)
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EastStroudsburg13 wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:19 am The thing with regionals tournaments is that if a high school is willing to host it, you can run that tournament in a fairly straightforward manner. I would not expect such a tournament to be scheduled now, but say around the end of April we are seeing a clear decline in the effects of the pandemic, it may be worthwhile to try to schedule a regional tournament at a high school in June sometime. Something to keep in mind as this whole thing develops.
I completely agree. The coronavirus situation, as we all know, is changing at an incredibly rapid rate. Just as it can infect everyone in a short amount of time, it also can disappear just as quickly. There's really no way of knowing for sure what can happen in the future, so I think it's best that the officials have the mindset of "holding on tournaments until a later date" rather than permanently cancelled.

I do think that rescheduling State or National tournaments will be very difficult to reschedule due to the immense amount of planning, but I think many regional tournaments that have been cancelled should be considered to be postponed. They are much smaller, and in fact, my regional tournament has already been postponed before due to weather conditions, so it is in fact possible for there to have a reschedule done (at least for my region).
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mooonstone wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:41 am
EastStroudsburg13 wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:19 am The thing with regionals tournaments is that if a high school is willing to host it, you can run that tournament in a fairly straightforward manner. I would not expect such a tournament to be scheduled now, but say around the end of April we are seeing a clear decline in the effects of the pandemic, it may be worthwhile to try to schedule a regional tournament at a high school in June sometime. Something to keep in mind as this whole thing develops.
I completely agree. The coronavirus situation, as we all know, is changing at an incredibly rapid rate. Just as it can infect everyone in a short amount of time, it also can disappear just as quickly. There's really no way of knowing for sure what can happen in the future, so I think it's best that the officials have the mindset of "holding on tournaments until a later date" rather than permanently cancelled.
The thing is, East's timetable (decide at end April to re-create a tournament for early June) is about the shortest feasible timescale. Even smaller tournaments take time to organize - tests have to be written, volunteers have to be found, and so on. Public schools around here mostly finish at the end of May. Holding a competition after the end of term just isn't viable, for all kinds of reasons.

I think that with the best will in the world, hoping for the isolation season to pass, and then to reschedule and run a regional tournament before the summer break is at best very ambitious.
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knightmoves wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:10 pm
mooonstone wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:41 am
EastStroudsburg13 wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:19 am The thing with regionals tournaments is that if a high school is willing to host it, you can run that tournament in a fairly straightforward manner. I would not expect such a tournament to be scheduled now, but say around the end of April we are seeing a clear decline in the effects of the pandemic, it may be worthwhile to try to schedule a regional tournament at a high school in June sometime. Something to keep in mind as this whole thing develops.
I completely agree. The coronavirus situation, as we all know, is changing at an incredibly rapid rate. Just as it can infect everyone in a short amount of time, it also can disappear just as quickly. There's really no way of knowing for sure what can happen in the future, so I think it's best that the officials have the mindset of "holding on tournaments until a later date" rather than permanently cancelled.
The thing is, East's timetable (decide at end April to re-create a tournament for early June) is about the shortest feasible timescale. Even smaller tournaments take time to organize - tests have to be written, volunteers have to be found, and so on. Public schools around here mostly finish at the end of May. Holding a competition after the end of term just isn't viable, for all kinds of reasons.

I think that with the best will in the world, hoping for the isolation season to pass, and then to reschedule and run a regional tournament before the summer break is at best very ambitious.
Of course it would be tremendously ambitious. That does not mean it isn't worth a shot.
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EastStroudsburg13 wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:05 pm
knightmoves wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:10 pm
mooonstone wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:41 am

I completely agree. The coronavirus situation, as we all know, is changing at an incredibly rapid rate. Just as it can infect everyone in a short amount of time, it also can disappear just as quickly. There's really no way of knowing for sure what can happen in the future, so I think it's best that the officials have the mindset of "holding on tournaments until a later date" rather than permanently cancelled.
The thing is, East's timetable (decide at end April to re-create a tournament for early June) is about the shortest feasible timescale. Even smaller tournaments take time to organize - tests have to be written, volunteers have to be found, and so on. Public schools around here mostly finish at the end of May. Holding a competition after the end of term just isn't viable, for all kinds of reasons.

I think that with the best will in the world, hoping for the isolation season to pass, and then to reschedule and run a regional tournament before the summer break is at best very ambitious.
Of course it would be tremendously ambitious. That does not mean it isn't worth a shot.
+1 to that
Also, if we keep moving forward with test paper prep and other activities as if Nats will happen in summer, it will make it possible. It is just a mind shift change, from cancelled to post-poned.
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ATXScioly wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:46 pm
EastStroudsburg13 wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:05 pm
knightmoves wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:10 pm

The thing is, East's timetable (decide at end April to re-create a tournament for early June) is about the shortest feasible timescale. Even smaller tournaments take time to organize - tests have to be written, volunteers have to be found, and so on. Public schools around here mostly finish at the end of May. Holding a competition after the end of term just isn't viable, for all kinds of reasons.

I think that with the best will in the world, hoping for the isolation season to pass, and then to reschedule and run a regional tournament before the summer break is at best very ambitious.
Of course it would be tremendously ambitious. That does not mean it isn't worth a shot.
+1 to that
Also, if we keep moving forward with test paper prep and other activities as if Nats will happen in summer, it will make it possible. It is just a mind shift change, from cancelled to post-poned.
Sadly, holding it during what are the summer months for some schools doesn’t seem feasible.
An alternative option would be to attempt to reschedule to the early fall, but this could possibly make the next season a little too hectic. (Now that my school is closed, it’s hard to deny the fact that COVID-19 is serious, especially for the older population).
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snowyowl wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:58 pm
ATXScioly wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:46 pm
EastStroudsburg13 wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:05 pm
Of course it would be tremendously ambitious. That does not mean it isn't worth a shot.
+1 to that
Also, if we keep moving forward with test paper prep and other activities as if Nats will happen in summer, it will make it possible. It is just a mind shift change, from cancelled to post-poned.
Sadly, holding it during what are the summer months for some schools doesn’t seem feasible.
An alternative option would be to attempt to reschedule to the early fall, but this could possibly make the next season a little too hectic. (Now that my school is closed, it’s hard to deny the fact that COVID-19 is serious, especially for the older population).
snowyowl is right, the designation of a host site for these tournaments, especially like, nationals, happens years in advance, and when a cancellation ruling is made, its pretty much guaranteed to be final. Especially with the nature of SO as a school competition, something over the summer seems particularly unlikely, given how many competitors not only won't be in school, but will also probably be doing internships, research programs, jobs, etc, all things which would preclude them from participating in more tournaments over the summer.
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Giantpants wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:40 pm
snowyowl wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:58 pm
ATXScioly wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:46 pm

+1 to that
Also, if we keep moving forward with test paper prep and other activities as if Nats will happen in summer, it will make it possible. It is just a mind shift change, from cancelled to post-poned.
Sadly, holding it during what are the summer months for some schools doesn’t seem feasible.
An alternative option would be to attempt to reschedule to the early fall, but this could possibly make the next season a little too hectic. (Now that my school is closed, it’s hard to deny the fact that COVID-19 is serious, especially for the older population).
snowyowl is right, the designation of a host site for these tournaments, especially like, nationals, happens years in advance, and when a cancellation ruling is made, its pretty much guaranteed to be final. Especially with the nature of SO as a school competition, something over the summer seems particularly unlikely, given how many competitors not only won't be in school, but will also probably be doing internships, research programs, jobs, etc, all things which would preclude them from participating in more tournaments over the summer.
If you think most SO comptetitors are doing interships or resarch programs, I don't know what world you live in.
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LIPX3 wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:10 pm
Giantpants wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:40 pm
snowyowl wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:58 pm

Sadly, holding it during what are the summer months for some schools doesn’t seem feasible.
An alternative option would be to attempt to reschedule to the early fall, but this could possibly make the next season a little too hectic. (Now that my school is closed, it’s hard to deny the fact that COVID-19 is serious, especially for the older population).
snowyowl is right, the designation of a host site for these tournaments, especially like, nationals, happens years in advance, and when a cancellation ruling is made, its pretty much guaranteed to be final. Especially with the nature of SO as a school competition, something over the summer seems particularly unlikely, given how many competitors not only won't be in school, but will also probably be doing internships, research programs, jobs, etc, all things which would preclude them from participating in more tournaments over the summer.
If you think most SO comptetitors are doing interships or resarch programs, I don't know what world you live in.
I think that the amount of internships available varies tremendously between states, and just because you aren't doing and internship doesn't mean others aren't LIPX3.
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LIPX3 wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:10 pm
Giantpants wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:40 pm snowyowl is right, the designation of a host site for these tournaments, especially like, nationals, happens years in advance, and when a cancellation ruling is made, its pretty much guaranteed to be final. Especially with the nature of SO as a school competition, something over the summer seems particularly unlikely, given how many competitors not only won't be in school, but will also probably be doing internships, research programs, jobs, etc, all things which would preclude them from participating in more tournaments over the summer.
If you think most SO comptetitors are doing interships or resarch programs, I don't know what world you live in.
Okay, maybe an idealized one? Idk it was a general assumption that high level SO competitors are generally motivated and hard-working students, combined with personal experience regarding motivated and hard-working students. Sorry if it was incorrect at all!

Regardless, I think a lot of people would be unavailable over the summer due to prior commitments, whatever they may be lol
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