Mission Possible C

[andrew lorino]

With the rule clarification for 4.b.vi, doesn't any transfer that satisfies 4.b.iii satisfy 4b.vi (i.e. transfers that produce light activating a photocell use light to initiate the next transfer)? I know there can't be any parallel tasks/one object can only be used for one action, but what's the point of keeping 4.b.vi? To have 2 light initiated actions?

I think that with the exothermic task the photocell is a part of it, not a part of the next task.

[ScottMaurer19]

With the rule clarification for 4.b.vi, doesn't any transfer that satisfies 4.b.iii satisfy 4b.vi (i.e. transfers that produce light activating a photocell use light to initiate the next transfer)? I know there can't be any parallel tasks/one object can only be used for one action, but what's the point of keeping 4.b.vi? To have 2 light initiated actions?

I think that with the exothermic task the photocell is a part of it, not a part of the next task.

Based on the description it sounds like you could do the same task over again but with an LED to make it "unique"

[dragonfruit35]

With the rule clarification for 4.b.vi, doesn't any transfer that satisfies 4.b.iii satisfy 4b.vi (i.e. transfers that produce light activating a photocell use light to initiate the next transfer)? I know there can't be any parallel tasks/one object can only be used for one action, but what's the point of keeping 4.b.vi? To have 2 light initiated actions?

True, wouldn’t the photocell being activated and initiating the next action satisfy the requirements of the light-activated task? Wouldn’t this mean you essentially get double points, or am I missing something?

EDIT: So do you think it has to be a separate task?

[S.Tealey]

Since there is no example of the ASL on the soinc website what format should I use?

[Bluejet1179]

Can I use an arduino as a transfer between two actions? For example I am going to have a balloon hitting a button to turn a servo? Could someone also please elaborate on the 10 sec rule

[dragonfruit35]

Can I use an arduino as a transfer between two actions? For example I am going to have a balloon hitting a button to turn a servo? Could someone also please elaborate on the 10 sec rule

Yep, as long as you are only using it for one action. The 10-second rule is one of the things that hasn't been really clarified yet. My guess is that the intent of the rule is that you can't intentionally make things that should take little to no time take longer to make the total operation time longer.

[Flavorflav]

I don't see a contradiction. If a switch is open during the timing phase, there is no electrical activity and therefore no violation of 3.1. A sensor will be continuously reading whatever parameter it is sensing for the duration of the action, which if it is longer than 10 seconds is evidently to be construed as a violation of 3.1.

[ScottMaurer19]

I don't see a contradiction. If a switch is open during the timing phase, there is no electrical activity and therefore no violation of 3.1. A sensor will be continuously reading whatever parameter it is sensing for the duration of the action, which if it is longer than 10 seconds is evidently to be construed as a violation of 3.1.

I don't think a sensor violates 3.i for regular actions. First of all one of the actions requires a photocell, which is a sensor. Second, the FAQ says that a sensor cannot end the timer but does not say a sensor cannot end an action. I think the sensor for the timing mechanism was because there was an electrical sensor signaling when the timer was over, the timer would be considered electrical and not chemical/mechanical.

[Flavorflav]

Why would a timer be considered electrical if it involved a sensor, but an action would not? I don't see any way to interpret the FAQ that doesn't result in a sensor operating for more that ten seconds being a violation of 3.i.

[ScottMaurer19]

Why would a timer be considered electrical if it involved a sensor, but an action would not? I don't see any way to interpret the FAQ that doesn't result in a sensor operating for more that ten seconds being a violation of 3.i.

Because the timer is delaying the time and the sensor would be part of the timer. In an action, the sensor would get a reading, change in some way, and as a result the next action would begin. But the sensor would essentially be static until something changes.
Basically the sensor used with a timer would regulate the time, while a sensor in a regular action does not.