Detector Building C
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Re: Detector Building C
The NES said he was submitting another FAQ on the topic (note that he does not write the FAQs).
Also note that the test he used at Solon was exactly the same test as his sample test on Soinc.
Also note that the test he used at Solon was exactly the same test as his sample test on Soinc.
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Re: Detector Building C
He has input on FAQs and rule clarifications, but it is collaborative decision as it is for all events.lindsmaurer wrote: ↑February 2nd, 2020, 7:17 am The NES said he was submitting another FAQ on the topic (note that he does not write the FAQs).
Also note that the test he used at Solon was exactly the same test as his sample test on Soinc.
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Re: Detector Building C
Yes, and seeing as his reasoning at Solon was that the SHH equation was created by manufacturers for individual probes, when it is actually an equation that relates the resistance of any resistor (not just thermistors) to temperature using three points, I doubt he’ll get his way.nicholasmaurer wrote: ↑February 2nd, 2020, 9:04 amHe has input on FAQs and rule clarifications, but it is collaborative decision as it is for all events.lindsmaurer wrote: ↑February 2nd, 2020, 7:17 am The NES said he was submitting another FAQ on the topic (note that he does not write the FAQs).
Also note that the test he used at Solon was exactly the same test as his sample test on Soinc.
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Re: Detector Building C
I guess the logic there is that most thermistors are provided with a data sheet with values that could be used to create a Steinhart equation, but these would be fairly inaccurate once you take into account the insulation used and general error. It's better to take your own data.lindsmaurer wrote: ↑February 2nd, 2020, 9:45 amYes, and seeing as his reasoning at Solon was that the SHH equation was created by manufacturers for individual probes, when it is actually an equation that relates the resistance of any resistor (not just thermistors) to temperature using three points, I doubt he’ll get his way.nicholasmaurer wrote: ↑February 2nd, 2020, 9:04 amHe has input on FAQs and rule clarifications, but it is collaborative decision as it is for all events.lindsmaurer wrote: ↑February 2nd, 2020, 7:17 am The NES said he was submitting another FAQ on the topic (note that he does not write the FAQs).
Also note that the test he used at Solon was exactly the same test as his sample test on Soinc.
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Re: Detector Building C
It sounds like it would be rather challenging to determine with certainty whether or not a team was knowingly using the SHH model. I could imagine a team independently coming up with it.
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Re: Detector Building C
It might be helpful to note that we went over our design log with the NES at Solon and he looked at our equation, which is just a Steinhart model based on a few thousand data points we collected displayed in the form of a graph. He seemed to have no issues with it, and even asked to keep a copy of our design log as an example.
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Re: Detector Building C
With a few thousand data points, a direct LUT or linear interpolation will work beyond 0.1 degree C.ZanaBanana wrote: ↑February 2nd, 2020, 4:37 pm It might be helpful to note that we went over our design log with the NES at Solon and he looked at our equation, which is just a Steinhart model based on a few thousand data points we collected displayed in the form of a graph. He seemed to have no issues with it, and even asked to keep a copy of our design log as an example.
0-75, 751 points is already 0.1 step size.
You can wrap your calibration with just another layer of on-site calibration with their thermometer for state/national.
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Re: Detector Building C
Make a graph of the equation over the scatterplot. Not just a line of best fit, your equation that’s in your code.
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Re: Detector Building C
oh ok. got it, thank you!lindsmaurer wrote: ↑February 4th, 2020, 7:39 pmMake a graph of the equation over the scatterplot. Not just a line of best fit, your equation that’s in your code.
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